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our cia are out there all over the world but they have to get information. they collect it and analyze it. look at what happened in benghazi. that's another issue. we knew that it was a hot spot, but we didn't have intelligence that they were going to attack. >> greta: therein proves my point. that was another intelligence where we might have the hardest working people in the world, the best in the world but the fact is intelligence failures do happen with even the best. that's why it's very hard to have a lot of sort of comfort in terms of what happens with these, you know, chemical weapons should assad leave. >> no question. >> greta: mistakes happen. >> we can't be the sheriff for the whole world, so we have to work with other countries an other allies. as serious as the situation is in syria, we've got to work with russia. >> greta: let me ask you a quick question. you've actually met president assad. tell me your impression. >> on our way to iraq we had to go -- we were asked to go and stop by to see assad. this was right after, maybe six months after p
our cia are out there all over the world but they have to get information. they collect it and analyze it. look at what happened in benghazi. that's another issue. we knew that it was a hot spot, but we didn't have intelligence that they were going to attack. >> greta: therein proves my point. that was another intelligence where we might have the hardest working people in the world, the best in the world but the fact is intelligence failures do happen with even the best. that's why it's...
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just even in the end game, cia, when i became deputy national security advisor in january of 1989, cia was cometology, was coming to me with so much information about how the regime was collapsing economically, how gorbachev essentially had destroyed the old stalinist economy but hadn't put anything in its place that i went to president obama and -- president bush in july of 1989, bush authorized me to form a very secret planning group, a contingency planning group to prepare for the clams of the soviet union, and the person from the nsc staff, that general scowcroft and i put in charge was a young woman named condoleezza rice .. so two and a half years before the soviet union collapsed, the united states was beginning contingency planning to goal that collapse. the first briefing that i ever heard where i heard the cia tell the president of the united states this regime cannot last, and it is not in the distant future. it is on its last legs. >> rose: that was in -- >> 1985, before his first meeting with gorbachev. >> rose: let me move to china, in the few minutes remaining, the presi
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the cia analyst is said to be in her 30s. she served in pakistan. by many accounts, she was instrumental in finding where osama bin laden was hiding. >> everybody describes her as a very headstrong and even combative personality at times. >> reporter: "washington post" reporter greg miller says the cia targeting expert who found bin laden has become a target herself. >> she has rankled colleagues in scuffles over credit for the operation. >> reporter: former navy s.e.a.l. matt, who was part of the raid, described her in a "60 minutes" interview. >> i can't give her enough credit. in my opinion, she kind of teed up this whole thing and just wicked smart, kind of feisty. >> reporter: miller says the analyst received a cash bonus for her work but still felt slighted. >> she got a more prestigious award than most but nevertheless was put out basically that others were included on the list. >> reporter: the cia insists no single person found bin laden, telling cnn quote, hundreds of analysts, operators and many others played key roles in the hunt. but th
the cia analyst is said to be in her 30s. she served in pakistan. by many accounts, she was instrumental in finding where osama bin laden was hiding. >> everybody describes her as a very headstrong and even combative personality at times. >> reporter: "washington post" reporter greg miller says the cia targeting expert who found bin laden has become a target herself. >> she has rankled colleagues in scuffles over credit for the operation. >> reporter: former...
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that was a decision made by the cia, the managers of the cia. i mean, certainly any agency of the u.s. government which has a big success would probably want an accurate portrayal of that success. i think that was why the filmmakers met with this particular woman. as fran points out, there is actually -- there were men involved in this. it isn't just a female agent that did everything. the film suggests that a female agent played an essential role. there's another person that goes by the name of john who has some press attention in the past who was equally important so let's be accurate about this. >> fran, i want to ask you, i want to read a quote to you that was in this "the washington post" piece from a former cia official describing the environment at the agency. this is what the quote says. "the agency is a funny place. very insular. it's like middle schoolers with clearances." i want to get your take on that how does the cia culture play into this controversy surrounding this woman now? >> no question it's a very insular place by its very
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and the british media above the cia. running operations to smuggle weapons through southern turkey and to northern syria to the muslim brothers and the syrian free army saw a spot as that goes we have official announcements that the rebels are being held with televisions and formation especially of via satellite images and john kerry because just quickly also we heard in the report just before we came to you that intervention would lead to another iraq would you agree with that sentiment just briefly. absolutely i think that what the fun of libya another iraq but on a larger or regional scale political or stuck to it would have a louche thank you very much indeed for your thoughts thanks for joining us thank you thank you. for more news after this short break this is all t. live here in moscow stay with us. a forty nine year old southern california man was thrown in president charles with possessing materials to make an explosive device all because of his rather unusual wristwatch despite the bomb squad saying that his w
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people outside the cia. and, you know, we invite people to bring it up. that may be what you have to do in order to get these people and bring them to justice. i would rather have that in u.s. hands and have a u.s. court decide. >> host: abcaeight. jim in indiana. >> caller: i think that george washington summed it up best when he said keep strong american borders and stay out of other countries wars and squabbles. eisenhower, a wild eyed radical liberal warned that the military industrial complex would bankrupt america. that and whatever happened to our judeo-christian ethics in our nation. how did we ever get so militarized? >> guest: the biggest change in american foreign policy probably since the republic was founded was the creation of nato in 1947. the creation of nato in 1947 was a point in time and the united states said it would come in fact engage in an entangling alliance with other countries' international interest. the previous hundred and 65 years of american history it avoided those kinds of commitments. you can make your own judgment about
people outside the cia. and, you know, we invite people to bring it up. that may be what you have to do in order to get these people and bring them to justice. i would rather have that in u.s. hands and have a u.s. court decide. >> host: abcaeight. jim in indiana. >> caller: i think that george washington summed it up best when he said keep strong american borders and stay out of other countries wars and squabbles. eisenhower, a wild eyed radical liberal warned that the military...
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conditions that held it up republicans overreached and people want oil but we know that right now the cia. long term analysis is that without the canadian oil the u.s. already will be in surplus because in north dakota elsewhere we know a tremendous amount of shale oil oil out of the ride certainly we can keep this conversation going on unfortunately we are at a time mr pals appreciate you coming on that was investigative journalist greg palast. before we go it is that time of the year again where we start to say goodbye to two thousand and twelve google is out with their two thousand and twelve year and report that looks at some of the big events across the world the this year and report flashback news stories that gained worldwide attention and if you noticed at one point our team got a shout out so we just wanted to thank those all for that plug we're going to leave it off there make sure to tune in and a half hour of their back. download the official ati application to the cell phones choose your language stream quality and enjoy your favorites from alzheimer's l.t.v. is not required
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if tom donilon were to move to the cia or one of the other posts that's now likely to be open, it would be possible for susan rice to become national security adviser and to be that close with the president. >> and andrea, is there any indication that the upcoming hearings on december 20th had any affect on this coming out today? >> well, i think that there needed to be some resolution before those hearings because those hearings are going to be very difficult as it is, and that would have been a preview, only a taste of what it would have been like to have confirmation hearings. also the signal that john mccain told people he wanted to ask the leadership to put him on the foreign relations committee. he is the senior person on the armed services committee, and for him to then be on foreign relations as well meant he would have been in a key role as someone on the committee confirming her or any other secretary of state. so that was going to be difficult. this was personal. this is where it gets back to the 2008 campaign and things that susan rice said as a combatant in that campaign on
if tom donilon were to move to the cia or one of the other posts that's now likely to be open, it would be possible for susan rice to become national security adviser and to be that close with the president. >> and andrea, is there any indication that the upcoming hearings on december 20th had any affect on this coming out today? >> well, i think that there needed to be some resolution before those hearings because those hearings are going to be very difficult as it is, and that...
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officials tell the journal the cia made the call to remove the al qaeda references. why? to protect intelligence sources. according to the reporting of the journal, the fbi agreed with that decision but some state department officials said it made the talking points too vegas. now fox news has learned the director of national intelligence plans to give a classified briefing on benghazi tomorrow for the entire house of representatives. for the rest of the story, catherine herridge with us from washington now. catherine? >> shepard, tomorrow on capitol hill, a second round of closed classified briefings for all the members of the house of representatives, nation's top intelligence officer among others. lawmakers want more definitive information on the level of premeditation by the terrorists and how early it was known. >> the question is how much planning went into this? was it months in the works? was it cobbled together quickly within a matter of a few hours? it makes a great difference in terms of the responsibility as well as the vulnerability of our facilities elsewher
officials tell the journal the cia made the call to remove the al qaeda references. why? to protect intelligence sources. according to the reporting of the journal, the fbi agreed with that decision but some state department officials said it made the talking points too vegas. now fox news has learned the director of national intelligence plans to give a classified briefing on benghazi tomorrow for the entire house of representatives. for the rest of the story, catherine herridge with us from...
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"outfront" tonight, national security contributor fran townsend who is on the cia and homeland security external advisory board and noah shachtman. noah, what do we think is going on right now? at what point are they in this process? >> so the assad regime has hundreds of metric tons of the building blocks of sarin. basically two big building blocks. there's isopropanol which is rubbing alcohol and phosphorous compounds. those are kept separately in order to keep things safe. but the assad regime in small, limited quantities appears to have combined those two chemicals to make deadly sarin nerve agent and has loaded them on to aerial bombs. >> if that is true, fran, it's a very provocative thing. is it provocative enough that the u.s. now has to consider action? >> well, you know, the administration has not made it clear. what the president has said is that the use of such weapons would be a red line for the united states and her allies. but it's not clear, short of use, is this preparation, is the mixing of the precursor chemicals enough? as noah can tell you this is a very unstable su
"outfront" tonight, national security contributor fran townsend who is on the cia and homeland security external advisory board and noah shachtman. noah, what do we think is going on right now? at what point are they in this process? >> so the assad regime has hundreds of metric tons of the building blocks of sarin. basically two big building blocks. there's isopropanol which is rubbing alcohol and phosphorous compounds. those are kept separately in order to keep things safe....
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and then there's a question of cia. the big question is whether john brennan, currently the director of homeland security want that job. it's his if he wants it. the question is, does he? otherwise director morell could get it. the president could perhaps make all of these announcements next week. >> stand by just for a moment. jill dougherty is our state correspondent. it looks potentially like john kerry could be the man that you'll be covering in the weeks and months to come, john kerry, chairman of the foreign relations committee, democratic presidential nominee back in 2004. what are you hearing? >> well, obviously now that susan rice is out of the picture, it would be very logical to turn to him. he is well known for international affairs. every type of issue he seems to have a statement ready within seconds. he's a heavyweight. he knows all of the issues. he wouldn't have the difficulty, it would appear, in the senate for being confirmed with that post as susan rice would have. and it also clears the way now for
and then there's a question of cia. the big question is whether john brennan, currently the director of homeland security want that job. it's his if he wants it. the question is, does he? otherwise director morell could get it. the president could perhaps make all of these announcements next week. >> stand by just for a moment. jill dougherty is our state correspondent. it looks potentially like john kerry could be the man that you'll be covering in the weeks and months to come, john...
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that's what the cia believed and told her in a briefing given to her that very day. yet, john mccain and others launched a campaign to smear her and block her for moving to the state department. president obama defended rice on numerous occasions, but accepted her decision today with regrelt. just a short time ago, she explained her decision to nbc's brian williams. >> today, i made the decision that it was the best thing for our country, for the american people, that i not be considered for nomination for secretary of state. i didn't want to see a confirmation process that was very prolonged, very politicized. very distracting and very disruptive. there are so many things we need to get done as a country. and the first several months of a second term president's agenda is really the opportunity to get the the crucial thing done. job creation. that's what matters. and to the extent that my nomination could have delayed, distracted or maybe even deflected, i didn't want that. and i'd much prefer to continue doing what i'm doing, which is a job i love at the united nat
that's what the cia believed and told her in a briefing given to her that very day. yet, john mccain and others launched a campaign to smear her and block her for moving to the state department. president obama defended rice on numerous occasions, but accepted her decision today with regrelt. just a short time ago, she explained her decision to nbc's brian williams. >> today, i made the decision that it was the best thing for our country, for the american people, that i not be considered...
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. >> fox news has also confirmed that the decision to shut down the cia annex happened in the early morning hours of september 12th after the annex took indirect fire from two mortars. while the annex was cleared of classified information and equipment, in less than 10 hours to this day the consulate, which is less than a mile away has never been secured, harris. >> catherine herridge, thank you very much. >> you are welcome. >> we massive battle on the streets of capital today right outside the presidential palace. people said to be hitting each other with stick and stones and fire bombs. can you see that yourself. dozens reported hurt. that country descending deep near chaos. it is a key ally in that region. something we are watching closely. we will go live to cairo in moments. don't know whether you are ready to start thinking about america's next presidential election. a new poll shows who people say they would back to succeed president obama. also, we'll show you how a couple of possible republic candidates are already putting together the framework for 2016. >> the old ways won't do.
. >> fox news has also confirmed that the decision to shut down the cia annex happened in the early morning hours of september 12th after the annex took indirect fire from two mortars. while the annex was cleared of classified information and equipment, in less than 10 hours to this day the consulate, which is less than a mile away has never been secured, harris. >> catherine herridge, thank you very much. >> you are welcome. >> we massive battle on the streets of...
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decision to testify after we have her testifying and oversight and government reform, and after the cia, the dod and everyone else has issued their time line. and they say now m why going to give you my two cents. now you have heard everything and if you limit it to the report of the people that she engaged to write a report, what are her risks? >> james clapper is the director of national intelligence and he has contridicted himself before congress. now when you do that. >> he may be in trouble. you know what, when he went back and forth on these statements who took the word al-qaeda out and that kind of thing, somebody had to take the fall here. you know the president was not going to let susan rice do. it she went on national television and said what every one of us knew not to be true. there is someone who had to take the fall. >> four people here were killed. and there is an abundance of evidence that those people and others in benghazi warned the state department and the u.s. government that their lives were in danger. they begged for help. they begged for protection. it was not g
decision to testify after we have her testifying and oversight and government reform, and after the cia, the dod and everyone else has issued their time line. and they say now m why going to give you my two cents. now you have heard everything and if you limit it to the report of the people that she engaged to write a report, what are her risks? >> james clapper is the director of national intelligence and he has contridicted himself before congress. now when you do that. >> he may...
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host: the cia director has to go to the defense secretary and say, this is how want to spend my money? guest: the officer of the director of national intelligence that we have had since 2004 is responsible for negotiating the relationship with the secretary of defense. it is a difficult relationship. the department of defense is always tempted to reach into the intelligence of say, why is there another $2 billion over there? but we squeeze you down a little bit. -- let me squeeze you down a little bit. intelligence says, no, don't do that. guest: would have no added more layers of bureaucracy. -- we have now added more layers of bureaucracy. host: on twitter, remember all of this spending contributes to gdp. cut military spending, and there will be job losses. economic slowdown. guest: every drawdown we have done has involved the decline in employment in the pentagon. in the 1990's, we took a 700,000 people in active duty force. it was bush and clinton who did it. it started under bush in 1989 and. 300,000 civil servants, down from 1 million at the time. if the bulk of the active duty
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they show up at trials in contrast agents agents for the cia and emi six. sometimes the public sometimes wonder how they have time during the week so they can provide services. of course no one believes that. no one. not a single iranian police these people who serve the revolution have completely become counterrevolutionaries. but the idea is to instigate and get into the hearts of the rainy process, telling them that somebody like mr. massari who researches in this server, if he is not safe, he has to tear up i'm sure fire. his cabinet ministers in the 1980s have short trials, but i is a simple iranian citizen -- [inaudible] this is the change. >> thanks. emmanuelle, i want to move on to you in light of what the difference blurriness felt during her period of imprisonment from the west or from the outside world and given ali idea is a novelty in washington. what does that say about the west is doing? pup measures to the western united states are taking specifically aimed at iran on its human rights record is supposed to proliferation? >> first of all, i w
they show up at trials in contrast agents agents for the cia and emi six. sometimes the public sometimes wonder how they have time during the week so they can provide services. of course no one believes that. no one. not a single iranian police these people who serve the revolution have completely become counterrevolutionaries. but the idea is to instigate and get into the hearts of the rainy process, telling them that somebody like mr. massari who researches in this server, if he is not safe,...
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caller: on the military channel, last night there was a cia -- there is a documentary about two cia agents killed in washington by middle easterner. he went back to afghanistan. afghanistan had no way to get him out. the wife said that is dirty money. the fine me raised it to $2 million. they found him and brought him back. he is executed in 2004. how about the united nations doing this? putting a bounty on people. >> there are legal issues. we decided to treat this individual as a criminal. when you are overseas, that maybe what you have to do in order to get these people and bring to justice. i would never have that in u.s. hands -- i would rather have that in u.s. hands. >> i think george washington summed it up best. keep strong american borders and stay out of other countries squabbles. what ever happened to our christian ethics and foundation? >> the biggest change in american foreign-policy since the republic was founded was the creation of nato in 1947. it was the point in time the united states said they would engage in other countries in our national interest. the previous 165 ye
caller: on the military channel, last night there was a cia -- there is a documentary about two cia agents killed in washington by middle easterner. he went back to afghanistan. afghanistan had no way to get him out. the wife said that is dirty money. the fine me raised it to $2 million. they found him and brought him back. he is executed in 2004. how about the united nations doing this? putting a bounty on people. >> there are legal issues. we decided to treat this individual as a...
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there is increasing evidence some of the shoulder-fired missiles known as manpads which the cia were trying to track and contain in libya, may have migrated to syria, bringing down a syrian fighter jet and helicopter last week. then there are reports of chemical weapons, sarin gas being loaded into canisters for possible use. the u.s. set up a task force at a base north of ammon, jordan with 150 u.s. special forces working on a plan to secure assad's chemical weapons. >> the whole world is watching, the whole world is watching very closely and the president of the united states has made very clear there will be consequences, there will be consequences if the assad regime makes a terrible mistake by using these chemical weapons on their own people. >> reporter: earlier this year the pentagon estimated it would take 75,000 ground troops to secure the tons of chemical weapons in assad's possession. that is it more than the number of u.s. troops in afghanistan right now. in the meantime, the administration's public statements appear designed to at least deter the assad regime from using
there is increasing evidence some of the shoulder-fired missiles known as manpads which the cia were trying to track and contain in libya, may have migrated to syria, bringing down a syrian fighter jet and helicopter last week. then there are reports of chemical weapons, sarin gas being loaded into canisters for possible use. the u.s. set up a task force at a base north of ammon, jordan with 150 u.s. special forces working on a plan to secure assad's chemical weapons. >> the whole world...
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how would you approach, drawing upon your experience in the cia, how would you approach even solving this mystery in front of us right now? >> i mean, it has to come from intelligence. i doubt that the fbi, as good of work as they really do, are going to get the answers they need talking to libyan witnesses. this has to come through clandestine sources, technical means that'll allow us to pinpoint who did this. you're going to be listening to intercepts and things along this line which will allow you to act. i don't want to act against people who are not responsible for this, but i think after three months considering we have the world's best intelligence agencies and investigators, it's troubling to me, i'm disappointed that we haven't been able to bring these people to justice. and like i said, this is sending a terrible signal to folks around the world. and, you know, rick just mentioned mali. that's a place that's becoming an al-qaeda state. jenna: and youty they're -- do you think there's a connection there? why? >> it's a result of what happened in libya, because after the revo
how would you approach, drawing upon your experience in the cia, how would you approach even solving this mystery in front of us right now? >> i mean, it has to come from intelligence. i doubt that the fbi, as good of work as they really do, are going to get the answers they need talking to libyan witnesses. this has to come through clandestine sources, technical means that'll allow us to pinpoint who did this. you're going to be listening to intercepts and things along this line which...
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you had a future republican director of the cia and the pentagon working for you, a future republican secretary of state working for you. >> steve hadley. >> and a future republican national security adviser as well as madeleine albright, another democrat, but you had as many powerful republican leaders, future leaders, are as powerful democratic leaders. >> the president should be doing every week, almost every day, you have to be meeting with some of them, having dinner with them, talking to them, chatting. >> yes. >> and also threatening occasionally. >> by the way, mika has circled all the dinner guests that you've had over the years. >> some of them worked for my dad. >> it's the same principle that works in journalism, everyone knows if you're going to garn aeroreport, it's far better to get a source face-to-face. it's far bettory get a source of the fund than a person via e-mail. >> and best of all to have a relati relationship with them. >> it's just intimacy that happens between a source and a reporter. >> this president does not like that. he's not comfortable in this person
you had a future republican director of the cia and the pentagon working for you, a future republican secretary of state working for you. >> steve hadley. >> and a future republican national security adviser as well as madeleine albright, another democrat, but you had as many powerful republican leaders, future leaders, are as powerful democratic leaders. >> the president should be doing every week, almost every day, you have to be meeting with some of them, having dinner with...
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former cia specialist is joined by the washington journal's editorial page devotee and others, the foundation for the offensive democracy hosts this event. it's just over an hour. [applause] >> good morning, everyone. thank you for that introduction and thank you, all of you for coming out early this morning for what i think will be very lively debate. we are going to be asking the question of democracy is the triumph in the middle east islamic victory is unavoidable and essentials. this is the motion that we will be debating in the intelligence square format for the requests from ruel and brian. they have had a practice round. occurred on power. the revolution in egypt has taken many turns. the muslim brotherhood has come to power through the ballot box, but that has been marred of late thanks to mohamed morsi, the president of egypt earning him the moniker on atwitter of morsilini or mubarak with a beard, and now as we look around, we are not sure where this revolution is going and nor are we aware were the of the revolutions are going around the region. syria is teetering, georgia is burni
former cia specialist is joined by the washington journal's editorial page devotee and others, the foundation for the offensive democracy hosts this event. it's just over an hour. [applause] >> good morning, everyone. thank you for that introduction and thank you, all of you for coming out early this morning for what i think will be very lively debate. we are going to be asking the question of democracy is the triumph in the middle east islamic victory is unavoidable and essentials. this...
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he's alleges got the cia slot to fill as well. there are rumors there may be changes on his national security team. but nobody is being very specific about it at this point. >> shira, just the optics of the gop engaged in -- in a days-long filibuster with regards to susan rice, attacking susan rice for days. is that a fight that they want to pick? >> you'd think they wouldn't want to pick this fight, especially when there are other well-qualified people who want to be secretary of state such as john kerry, the senator of massachusetts, has made no secret at all that this is a position he's wanted far really long time. so you think this would not be a battle the white house would pick. but obviously the president has a lot of loyalty to susan rice. his defense of her a couple weeks ago from the podium was really unique and frankly defensive. so if this is who he wants, he has every right to nominate her and the senate has every right to say no. >> david, before i let you guys get out of here, i had katon dawson on a few minutes ago
he's alleges got the cia slot to fill as well. there are rumors there may be changes on his national security team. but nobody is being very specific about it at this point. >> shira, just the optics of the gop engaged in -- in a days-long filibuster with regards to susan rice, attacking susan rice for days. is that a fight that they want to pick? >> you'd think they wouldn't want to pick this fight, especially when there are other well-qualified people who want to be secretary of...